This is a conversation between two very insightful people which gets joined by a couple of outsiders, one of whom turns out to be an ass and gets blocked.
I happened to be at the right place at the right time to capture these messages before they vanished into the quagmire of Twitter archives, a swamp of cultural DNA which -- if mankind doesn't self-destruct before then -- will engage cyber-archeologists and anthropologists in the distant future for many careers.
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Just ignore Rod Liddle. He's a sad, vicious troll who wants your attention. Don't give it to him.
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
I'd appreciate you not telling us how to react to racist comments @pennyred. Our communities are under attack & ignoring it won't stop that.
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
I'm not saying ignore racist comments, @avavidal. There's clearly a crisis underway. But Liddle is just trying to wind the internet up.
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
Whatever he's trying to do @pennyred makes no difference. The fact is the @spectator see fit to publish these comments& we're challenging it
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
Alright, sure, @avavidal. @spectator should certainly be ashamed of itself for making money off racist bilge that actively hurts people.
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
Probably best to take your lead from the people that are affected directly by that kind of language before dispensing advice @pennyred
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
Noted, @avavidal, but I'm not personally unaffected by the saturating of the media landscape I work in with casual racism.
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
@pennyred @avavidal Surely the point is that, as white people, we CAN'T be affected AS directly? It affects us in the sense of angering...
— Tom Doran (@portraitinflesh) May 28, 2013
@pennyred @avavidal ...us and directly affecting our friends, but it doesn't directly affect US in the same way.
— Tom Doran (@portraitinflesh) May 28, 2013
@portraitinflesh @avavidal I don't think it affects me as directly - that's part of white privilege. But it affects me, and it upsets me.
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
@pennyred @avavidal Sure. But when someone who is directly affected repeatedly and respectfully tells you to back off, I tend to defer.
— Tom Doran (@portraitinflesh) May 28, 2013
Wan't saying that these things are at all equivalent, @avavidal, just questioning 'unaffected'. I apologise if I came across as patronising.
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
I am so sorry that you're upset @pennyred. You poor thing.
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
@avavidal as I've said before, I'm really not trying to claim that my outrage at media racism is the most important thing here. At all.
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
@pennyred @avavidal Laurie, you’re too smart to try and compare your secondary experience of racism with a PoC’s. Come correct please
— Jude Elliott-Jones (@judeinlondon) May 28, 2013
I feel that I've learned something from what you said, anyway, @avavidal, and I've apologised publicly because of it.
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
Apology accepted @pennyred. Let's just leave this now cause I'm not in the best place to discuss this politely.
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
@pennyred @avavidal Oh, for Christ's sake....when did it get personal? U sound like a couple of harpies bitching over a bar tip (R Chandler)
— Charley Perkins (@plasticmarauder) May 28, 2013
It's a really stressful, horrid time, @avavidal. Sometimes I need to take deep breaths and remember it isn't about me. Sorry again.
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
@avavidal @mrharrycole @pennyred such utter tosh.only black people can have advice about anti racism.tool
—Brennan (@tacfitbrennan) May 28, 2013
Harpies? Save your sexist shit for someone else. We've already put it behind us @plasticmarauder @pennyred
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
@tacfitbrennan @mrharrycole @pennyred No point speaking to you as you clearly have difficulty comprehending basic English. BLOCKED.
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
@portraitinflesh @pennyred @avavidal You can be white and be the victim of the same kind of hatred, I can tell as a white Argentine man.
— Fernando Sdrigotti (@f_sd) May 28, 2013
No worries @pennyred! it's all good.
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
@f_sd @pennyred @avavidal You can (if rarely), but in this context we're talking about a white British writer making anti-black innuendo.
— Tom Doran (@portraitinflesh) May 28, 2013
@avavidal thanks. Lots to go away and think about. *goes away and thinks* xx
— Laurie Penny (@PennyRed) May 28, 2013
Really? Do people know that you are Argentinian just by looking at you? Or does abuse start after they know? @f_sd
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
@avavidal After they know! Not an easy accent to guess. Yet in some situations having an accent is enough to be in trouble.
— Fernando Sdrigotti (@f_sd) May 28, 2013
@avavidal It gets worse during the World Cup. Then I say I'm Uruguayan.
— Fernando Sdrigotti (@f_sd) May 28, 2013
@pennyred @avavidal I'm totally impressed & humbled by this conversation. A model of civility and insight.
— John Ballard (@Hootsbudy) May 28, 2013
Then that is the difference between us. I can't assimilate. I don't have to say a word @f_sd
— AvaVidal (@AvaVidal) May 28, 2013
@pennyred @avavidal this convo needs to be in a textbook on broad-base radical organizing. Mad respect to the both of you.
— db (@DA_Banks) May 28, 2013
@avavidal Of course. I never intended to suggest that. I'm just saying that these things feed from the same place...
— Fernando Sdrigotti (@f_sd) May 28, 2013
@avavidalProbably jumped mid-conversation. Twitter works like that.
— Fernando Sdrigotti (@f_sd) May 28, 2013
@pennyred @avavidal Thank you for having this exchange in public. It was a good reminder to me.
— Rachel Weidinger (@rachelannyes) May 28, 2013
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